tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12379286.post1607144309431757150..comments2023-12-29T10:55:36.569-05:00Comments on epistoli: Yes, Love, Pray, Present the Truth to Win Them; but How Do We Stop Them from Getting Killed?Epistoli by Ken Godevenoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01007714849847693479noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12379286.post-50506323921602855532012-04-30T19:22:52.846-04:002012-04-30T19:22:52.846-04:00You're welcome, ken!
To encourage your blog o...You're welcome, ken!<br /><br />To encourage your blog on the topic you suggest, I'll share that my research has discovered that a number of VERY prominent ex-Muslims agree with you that so-called "radical Islamism" is actually "by the book" Qur'anic- and Hadith-supported Islam. <br /><br />Here's what one such writer says:<br />"There are moderate Muslims but no such thing as moderate Islam!" ~ Ibn Warraq, Pakistani author of 7 books: "Why I Am Not a Muslim" (1995), "The Origins of the Koran" (1998), "The Quest for the Historical Muhammad" (2000), "What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text and Commentary" (2002) and "Defending the West: A Critique of Edward Said's Orientalism" (2007).GaryFPattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04555496698636381288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12379286.post-25193714836387871772012-04-30T18:52:47.752-04:002012-04-30T18:52:47.752-04:00Thanks again Gary. We agree. The problem with po...Thanks again Gary. We agree. The problem with pointing out the truth about the inconsistencies in their holy book, and/or the rules that their prominent authorities follow -- well, it all falls on deaf ears if it contradicts their current geopolitical goals.<br /><br />I have recently been thinking about doing a blog on the harm of segregating "Radical Islam" from the rest of movement. I may still do that. Keep the faith.Epistoli by Ken Godevenoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01007714849847693479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12379286.post-88584612068044451742012-04-30T18:40:16.994-04:002012-04-30T18:40:16.994-04:00We agree, Ken, that Jesus Followers will be held a...We agree, Ken, that Jesus Followers will be held accountable for prayerlessness or not praying at all about the genocide of their Brothers and Sisters around the world because the slaughter is as systematic and organized as was the Holocaust. It's not just systemic in Islam.<br /><br />Re doing more than praying and writing one's government, I leave between you "fixers" and Holy Spirit, the "Great Convictor", for the reasons I suggested above. (BTW, my own "fixer passion" still wants to push me where I now believe the Bible does not call me to go. So I can relate to the personal challenge you mention.)<br /><br />You speak about "Radical Intolerable Islam" and I commented above that Islamic Imams, Jurisprudents, and Mullahs are "Passive Terrorists". Some of the followers of this Blog who have not read the Qur'an may not understand why Islamic religious leaders are actually prevented from and, actually, in danger if they speak out against Infidel murder of Christians and Jews. <br /><br />The media and Islamic apologist organizations like The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and other fronts of the Muslim Brotherhood in academia and Islamic communities in Canada and the U.S. are constantly using "liefare" and "lawfare" to condition non-Muslims into believing that Islam is actually a "peaceable religion". This a lie! <br /><br />CAIR's propaganda is liefare because the many and later-revealed verses in the Qur'an which command violence and warfare to expand Islam and dominate the world e.g.Qur'an 8:39, 9:5, 9:29, clearly abrogate (over-rule) the few earlier-revealed and peace-promoting verses e.g., Qur'an 2:256. This is because of the inviolable Qur'anic "Principle of Abrogation". <br /><br />This principle is supported by every Islamic "School of Jurisprudence" (legal body) and the Eulema (Elders of the Faith). The religious leadership of Islam cannot contradict al-Qaeda's Fatah's, Hezbollah's and other Islamic terrorist organizations' leaders because the latter are correct about what they tell Muslims that their Allah commands in the Qur'an.<br /><br />BTW, in reflecting in my mind on my comments earlier today, I realized that Jesus Followers who fail to pray and speak out, publicly and regularly, against Christian genocide can rightly be labelled "Passive Terrorists".GaryFPattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04555496698636381288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12379286.post-83371442101412314192012-04-30T12:12:54.424-04:002012-04-30T12:12:54.424-04:00Thanks Gary. I find no fault in your answer. Wel...Thanks Gary. I find no fault in your answer. Well given. But, gee, it's hard to swallow or accept -- at least for a "fixer" like myself. I do feel however that we may be somehow held accountable for standing by (and perhaps not praying enough as a minimum) for the massacres that occur, facilitated by our silence -- both with respect to Radical Intolerable Islam, and also in the abortion rooms of the world. Thanks for writing. I'd love to hear from more.Epistoli by Ken Godevenoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01007714849847693479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12379286.post-8088737610076638052012-04-30T11:53:41.669-04:002012-04-30T11:53:41.669-04:00Hi Ken;
Yours is an articulate, thought-provoking...Hi Ken;<br /><br />Yours is an articulate, thought-provoking and practical letter. You humbly raise a crucial and difficult question that does need answering by and within the Body of Christ as well as other faith groups.<br /><br />I have no authoritarian answer for you. I will share my thoughts because, after about 30 years of one-on-one sharing of Jesus' "Good News" combined with community and global social action, I have come to question the latter. <br /><br />I am no longer sure that Scripture really does call we Jesus Followers to social action, other than fervent prayer about societal and global ills and personal one-on-one action, when Jesus commands that we be "salt and light". (Your Body of Christ "educational activities" by blogging, letter writing to government, etc., and personal, missional work in Africa, are all examples of the latter in case a reader is unclear what they CAN do on their own to be salt and light.)<br /><br />I have come to believe this for three principle reasons:<br />1. and most importantly,there are no calls by Jesus or the Apostolic writers to social action that I can find. (A great deal of teaching pushing Body social action seems to rely on Matthew 5:13-16; but I feel, the teachers ignore the context of what Jesus was REALLY saying and draw mostly on Opinions 1 when they teach and write this way.)<br />2. and closely allied, there are no Biblical stories about Jesus or his first Followers or those in the early church engaging in activities to correct worldly ills in their times, e.g. slavery, poverty, far worse genocide of Christians for about 300 years.<br />3. the "protective sword" is given to the state not to Jesus Followers ...except again via prayer (Romans 13:1-7). <br /><br />I agree that it is appalling that the world leaders of traditional religion, are mostly and collectively silent while Christians are being murdered around the world simply because of their faith by members of other religions, most outrageously and systematically, Islam. <br /><br />My condemnation is particularly extended also to the Jurisprudents and Mullahs of so-called peaceable Islam. I call their silence "passive terrorism"! <br /><br />However all so-called top religious leaders should be ashamed and will answer to God, not me, for failing to call on their local church, mosque, synagogue and temple leaders to effect the change of the ignorance of their congregants that you mention. <br /><br />Failing all else people of faith, especially we Christians, must be urged to pray ...without ceasing... while calling on their government leaders to take practical action to stop the current world-wide genocide of Christians by Islamists and others, often with the support of their governments i.e. Egypt, Iraq, Malaysia, and Sudan. <br /><br />Blessings all,<br />Gary in TorontoGaryFPattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04555496698636381288noreply@blogger.com